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Next steps... (June 2001)

message sur fr.soc.sectes:



Acte 1: j'ai (roger gonnet, webamaster de ce site)mis un message le 17/9/2000 à midi sur alt.religion.scientology, dans
lequel des distraits pouvaient imaginer -en se donnant du mal - que j'allais
foutre des bombes dans les orgs de scientologie.

Acte 2: j'ai remis le lendemain 18/9/2000 à 6 heures du matin un message annonçant de façon claire que je m'étais
moqué, et donnant les clés de l'affaire (au demeurant évidentes).

Acte 3: ce matin [21/9/2000 vers 11 h], un huissier - un vrai! - m'amène une "sommation
interpellatoire
" pour me demander si j'étais l'auteur du message où
[soi-disant], je disais que j'allais bomber les orgs etc. Je réponds en me
moquant éperdûment de leur stupidité... faut pas pousser. L'huissier a dû se
marrer dans sa barbe. Le fax de l'avocate était tellement mauvais qu'il en
était à peine lisible... ça devait venir de leurs élites des OTs
américaines, la firme Moxon & Kobrin, duschmosck, causes perdues et c°.

Bien entendu, le message de l'huissier était incomplet et déformé, mode
sciento à pleine puissance, quoi. Pas de la faute de l'huissier, juste de
celle des ... fax? rax? rats? moxats? etceteratsxx.

Acte 4: j'achève en postant leur prose via avocate (Me Tigrane de Paris,
cabinet Tigrane et Bful - [désolé, c'est bien Bful] Bd st germain 22,
75005 paname ) sur internet... les comiques sont de retour. [pas de la
faute des avocats... z'ont dû peut-être en tirer un du lit lundi? pas de
pot, l'acte 2 était parti avant 6 heures du matin d'ici!]

Faut dire que je fais partie de l'église du sacré humour et du combat contre
les sectes criminelles, réunies... et qu'il fait partie de mes croyances de
les asticoter jusqu'à ce qu'elles cessent leurs violations des droits de
l'homme et peut-être, leur absence d'humour!




LA MEME CHOSE AUX USA ENVERS MON AMI KEITH HENSON

Critique de la scientologie accusé de menaces
The Press-Enterprise, Sep. 16, 2000
http://www.inlandempireonline.com/news/stories/091600/bust16.shtml

Les procureurs de Palo Alto disent que l'habitant de Palo Alto a fait des menaces sur Internet et pendant ses manifestations


Karin Marriott et Jose Arballo Jr.
The Press-Enterprise


[note: le journal parle ici du studio, alors qu'il s'agit de la direction MONDIALE de la secte criminelle, qui se cache derrière ce "studio" où sont élaborés les films de publicité mensongère de la secte criminelle]

Un critique habituel de l'église de scientologie a été inculpé de menaces terroristes contre le groupe, sur Internet ainsi qu'à ses locaux de San Jacinto.

Les procureurs allèguent que Keith Henson, habitant Palo Alto, a fait des menaces terroristes contre l'église sur un site anti-scientologie, puis qu'il a fait des déclarations menaçantes entendues par un garde, lorsqu'il manifestait devant les locaux de Golden Era Productions à Gilman Springs. [je prétends qu'il s'agit de faux témoignage du scientologue, ndt]

Henson risque un an de prison s'il est reconnu coupable du délit.

Vendredi, Henson a demandé à ce que sa mise en accusation en Cour Supérieure d'Hemet soit maintenue dix jours. A son tour, l'avocat député de district a demandé au juge Albert Wojkic d'ordonner à Henson de rester à distance des locaux de Golden Era et des employés nommés comme victimes dans la plainte criminelle, au moins jusqu'à la mise en accusation.

Le juge, lors d'un bref échange avec le critique, lui a ordonné de rester à 300 yards des locaux de Golden Era.

Le chef des locaux de Golden Era Ken Holden, présent à l'audition de M. Henson, a annoncé être satisfait du fait que l'avocat de district ait déposé plainte contre M. Henson.

Hoden, qui refusa de parler des commentaires d'Henson, indiqua que les employés de l'église avaient découvert les messages sur Internet et les avaient fait suivre aux autorités. Hoden a dit qu'il avait fait des menaces orales lors des manifestations face au studio.

Henson, qui a manifesté devant Golden Era et d'autres locaux scientologues du pays, a repris ses manifestations à San Jacinto en mai, après qu'une jeune fille de 16 ans ait été tuée lors d'une collision avec un tracteur effectuant des travaux pour le studio.

Un mois plus tard, une jeune femme de 20 ans décédait par électrocution en glissant dans un transformateur souterrain des bâtuments. Les autorités ont jugé qu'il s'agissait d'un accident.

Henson dit croire la scientologie responsable de ces accidents.

Graham Berry, avocat de Henson ayant bataillé contre la scientologie depuis plus de dix ans, explique que divers individus envoient des messages sur le forum web "alt.religion.scientology" à propos de blagues sur leurs armements et munitions et de l'église."

Henson n'est pas l'auteur des messages, dit Berry, mais il a commenté en expliquant "qu'ils ne contiennent pas d'intention inflammatoire".

En 1998, Golden Era a fait un procès pour empècher Henson de manifester devant les locaux. Un ordre de restriction temporaire avait été publié, mais un juge estima ensuite qu'Henson avait le droit de manifester à l'extérieur du complexe de l'église.

Henson doit revenir au tribunal le 25 septembre.

Jose Arballo Jr. can be reached by e-mail at jarballo@pe.com or by phone at
(909) 487-2275 ext. 229. Karin Marriott can be reached by e-mail at
kmarriott@pe.com or by phone at (909) 487-2275, ext. 230.


The complete story in english (my own passages in blue)

Wow!! Great, they did it!!

One more big footbullet running now.

Some of you remember that I have posted a message on 17 september at 12:21.
It was a reply to thomlove. It said:


*******
Title:

"BOMBING ORGS?? A bit of provocation, I'm angry to-day!"
*******

thomlove <thomlovenetmail@netscape.net> a écrit dans le message :
39C492CC.E3EAE28A@netscape.net...
> Hi Tory;
>
> Is there any video or witnesses of this besides those involved, who
> could report the whole thing to the police?
>
> What the CW city council must realize, that if they refuse to have the
> laws enforced as they are, and allow the kind of assaults on Bob and
> Mark and others that have occurred to continue, there will be an
> escalation by the SO Arrogants up to the point where severe danger will
> exist.
>
> The police need to really enforce the laws, and protect the picketers.

It could be that they are waiting this to come so as to act. They **can**
have decided such line of action. We'll know. Perhaps it would be the best
thing, but thanks, I'm not saying I hope someone could be killed. If they do
that, even if this is not on order of any of the supergoons, i'd perhaps
decide myself go to "BOMB" any org I can, (after having sent all the staffs
out: victim killing is not parts of my plans). You know what I mean: I'm not
after scientologists except some few DMs and lieutnants - who would not be
bombed physically either, but sent to jail and justiced, but the orgs should
be destroyed if they start to kill more visibly than before, even though the
hate they are expanding toward critics via poor brainwashed cult victims.

I would'nt care much to be sent to jail myself for destruction of things
that are not THEIR properties, but properties acquired through fraud,
extortion, manslaughter etc. Would you hesitate to steal maffiosis to give
their properties back to the poor guys whose life they stole? Not me.

Provocation is a bit too much ? Sure. scienos could know if I'm a joker and
degrader later on.


roger

*******

and then, the day after, I posted this reply (I had posted messages
inbetween to some few ARS participants who had not completely understood the
joke), and in response to Mike O'Connor post:


*****


Mike O'Connor <mike@leptonicsystems.com> a écrit dans le message :
mike-907593.16354417092000@news-server.optonline.net...
> In article <8q25eb$t2n$1@news5.isdnet.net>, "roger gonnet"
> <gonnet@antisectes.net> wrote:
>
> >If they do that, even if this is not on order of any of the
> >supergoons, i'd perhaps decide myself go to
>
> This is stupid. This is the exact wrong reaction. You are wrong. Don't
> react like this. Your reaction is the _goal_ of the operation, don't you
> understand that?

Hi Mike!

Just to add something to my general reply on ars:

I had some intention behind with that post (secret!) : it would be great to
get arrested for such a so-called menace of terrorism here in France, you
see what I mean? A bit more footbulleting for them, because if they saw my
post, they saw also the second one, and I'd be cleared quite fast, my book
being also a proof of how I'm joking (see:
http://www.antisectes.net/autodeng.htm>) - if I were saying anything
true like this one, I'd be under jail since my book was published!!

roger


****************************************

Therefore, the upperclams have had exactly the wrong reaction I was waiting
for. Provocation is sooooooooo great. They are so predictable and so
stupidly acting.

I received to day a bailiff.

Yes, a real bailiff from the town some kms from where I am.

He presented me an "Sommation interpellative". That could be somewhat
translated as "Asking command" or such wording. He did not come armed or
with police or whatever.

First, they know my real adress: this is very interesting, as I have never
disclosed it to anybody but friends. So, either they are informed by PIs or
their own guys (my brother being still a clam is able to have found out
through our parents papers lurking, or they came to find out where I could
be. Picketing me would be insane, as I'm far from anybody here: 1/4 mile to
the first house. (Nevertheless, I've some surprises for evil intentioned
people).

Second, they have been forced to cut out many things for the attorney to be
able to "quote" me as if I were really menacing terrorist for the orgs!!
they know damn well that I've never really recommended such activities, and
that I've more than once protested against people declaring similar
intentions (use of violence against them, or of illegal means and methods,
or even using unproven facts, or twisted facts).

So, the "sommation" was saying this:


********

Year 2000, 21st september

Having been required by:
Association Spirituelle de l'Eglise de Scientologie Rhone-Alpes
"A.S.E.S.R.A"
Association loi de 1901 représentée par son Président, Monsieur Henri HOF,
Siège Social: 3 place des Capucines [sic: the real adress is 3 place des
Capucins"] - 69001 Lyon
Choosing my office as his
adress,

I have, undersigned [bailiff name and adress]

BAILIFF,

after having said and reminded to:
. Monsieur Roger GONNET
living [my adress]

On sunday september 2000 at 12:21, was published on the internet site a
message coming from Roger GONNET, in english,

The subject was said "bombing orgs?? under the newsgroup :
alt.Religion.Scientologie.
[sic: such a group does not exist. no prob]

In this article, it is between else mentioned:

"choosing a line of action" " I could perhaps decide myself to go myself
"bombing" any org (organisation scientologue.
[sic, though the original is in french]


.../...

(page 2)

"this would not worry me a lot to be jailed myself for having destroyed
properties being not theirs etc..."

There is here an inticement to destroy goods and committing terrorist
attempts.


The association and its members want to to find every consequences from law.

THEREFORE, in the name of the requesting party,

I HAVE DELIVERED SOMMATION INTERPELLATIVE TO:

Monsieur Roger GONNET,

To confirm he's really the author of the presumed message above and whose
copy is given above this act.

TO WHICH HE ANSWERED:


[there, my handwritten reply. I'll add some points between square brackets]

1./ The quote is really uncomplete, see two attached pieces.

2./ The word "bombing" is between brackets: go for clarification to a
dictionary.

3./ the title of the message has evidently been truncated by the cult and
deliberately so, erasing the sentence : "a bit of provocation, I'm angry to
day."

4°/ From the truncated part, I'm clearly indicating "scientologists will
know if I am a joker or a degrader".

5°/ Scientologists could'nt ignore yesterday [20th sept] , date of their
demand, my message from the 18th, adressed to my friends of the public NG
alt.religion.scientology, that it was clearly a joke, following their
assault and battery against one of my american friends, Bob MINTON.

6./ Consequently, their bad faith in this affair is perfectly evident, and
is similar to the attacks without merit committed by the cult against my
friend Keith HENSON, american critic, also accused of "terrorism" or such
menaces.

Besides, I'll make observe that scientologists can't ignore my own public
positions against some cases of "new critics" of cults, when they are
proposing violent or illegal methods!"

Done in ........., on september 21st, 2000

signed

Attached: 2 messages from alt.religion.scientology.



[end of my handwritten statement on the bailiff's document]



******************

Now i'll add this:

see Supreme US Court decision and district court contrary decision, allowing
a rastafarian to smoke marijuana:
http://app.4anything.com/nf/ink-i1-f/http://www.commongroup.net/~olsen/RASTAFARI/world.html
http://www.commongroup.net/~olsen/RASTAFARI/op2000Guam26.html



I'm not claiming I'm a rasta, hi ! (and I have never smoked or taken any
marijuna or such illegal things!)- but my religion is "Human Rights defense,
Derision and Humour plus some Justice toward criminals". Therefore my
religion opposes firmly to such dangerous scams as the pseudo-self-religion
scientology - dianetics.

I'm therefore claiming here that I'm applying my religious rights when using
derisory remarks and obviously humoristic remarks or "threats" about
scientology criminal cult, and that it was totally visible that I could'nt
get rid any orgs of public or staffs, to be able to go on "bombing" them
calmly without being arrested, meaning very clearly that I was not
advocating any real bombing of any scientology org -and less so, of their
staffs.

I'm also claiming it's my religious right to attack criminal cults abusing
the human rights of my brother, his children, and lots of friends or human
people emprisoned into lies, scams and illegal rules currently used into
scientology. I'm claiming it's my right to use humour to counter-attack
their physical violent acts against my friends Bob Minton, Duncan, Keith
Henson, Mark Bunker, and some others (like those they were able to break in,
ruin, or kill, like Lisa Mc Pherson, Patrice Vic, and many others).

I'm also claiming that I'll keep on "BOMBING" orgs with lots of messages
containing humour, or the truth about the scientology scam and its upper
goons, and that it is my religious right to do so.

And finally, when I posted months ago that I've bought for Bob Minton two
castles in france, with lots of heavy armaments and a sort of private
trained militia, scientologists did not try to sue me for such a highly
illegal "activity", because they knew damn well I had not bought such
castles or weapons, neither Bob.

So, this last stupid reaction of them desmonstrates now that they know i'm
not about doing anything like this anyway.


:-))

Now I'm waiting for them to sue me. Do it, scienos, I want to become an SP
8, as I'm only ... an OT 7.

roger


Note from the other "indicted" for terrorist thretas in USA.

I haven't seen this item posted here. Excuses if it turns out to be a
duplicate:

:===Begin Quote===


Scientology critic accused of threats
The Press-Enterprise, Sep. 16, 2000
http://www.inlandempireonline.com/news/stories/091600/bust16.shtml
Prosecutors in Hemet say the Palo Alto resident made the threats on the Internet
and while picketing.

By Karin Marriott and Jose Arballo Jr.
The Press-Enterprise



A frequent critic of the Church of Scientology has been charged with making
terrorist threats against the group on the Internet and at its San Jacinto
facilities.

Prosecutors allege Palo Alto resident Keith Henson, 58, made the threats against
the church earlier this year on an anti-Scientology Internet site, then made
threatening statements overheard by a security guard while picketing at the
church's Golden Era Productions facility on Gilman Springs Road.

Henson faces up to a year in county jail if he is convicted of the misdemeanor
charge.

Henson requested Friday that his arraignment in Hemet Superior Court be
continued for 10 days. In turn, Deputy District Attorney Robert Schwarz asked
Judge Albert Wojcik to order Henson to stay away from the Golden Era facility
and those church employees named as victims in the criminal complaint, at least
until the arraignment.

Wojcik, in a terse exchange with the church critic, ordered Henson to stay 300
yards away from the Golden Era facility.

Golden Era General Manager Ken Hoden, who was at Henson's arraignment hearing,
said he was pleased the district attorney is filing charges against Henson.

Hoden, who declined to elaborate on Henson's comments, said church employees
found the alleged threats posted on the Internet and forwarded them to
authorities. Hoden said Henson also made verbal threats while picketing at the
studio.

Henson, who has picketed Golden Era and other Scientology facilities across the
nation, resumed picketing at the San Jacinto facility in May after a 16-year-old
girl was killed in a road collision with a tractor that was doing work for the
studio.

A month later, a 20-year-old woman working for Golden Era was electrocuted when
she slipped in an underground vault at the facility. Authorities ruled the death
an accident.

Henson said he believes Scientology is responsible for the accidents.

Graham Berry, Henson's attorney who has litigated against Scientology for more
than 10 years, said various people made postings on the Web site,
altreligionscientology.com, "in connection with joking remarks about munitions
and the church."

Henson did not initiate the postings, Berry said, but did make comments that
were "not in any way intended to be inflammatory."

In 1998, Golden Era went to court to bar Henson from picketing at the facility.
A temporary restraining order was issued, but a judge later ruled that Henson
was entitled to picket outside the church's complex.

Henson is scheduled to return to court on Sept. 25.

Jose Arballo Jr. can be reached by e-mail at jarballo@pe.com or by phone at
(909) 487-2275 ext. 229. Karin Marriott can be reached by e-mail at
kmarriott@pe.com or by phone at (909) 487-2275, ext. 230.


Next steps about "bombing orgs":

The criminal cult called scientology did dare to send this letter of denounciation to the local FBI. It is obviously an attempt to engage FBI people to try to seize "anything" in Minton's home, and it does remind so well the various letters of denounciation sent by the criminally recognized crook Hubbard, scientology founder, to the Mc Carthyst FBI, so as to get his own then wife or friends arrested and jailed for inexisting communist association.

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF BOSTON

Federal Bureau of Investigation 24 May 2001
1 Center Plaza, Suite 600
Boston, MA 02180
Attn: Agent Jeff Wood

Dear Sir,

Over the years we have been informing your agency concerning hate crimes
against our Church by Mr. Robert S. Minton Jr. and associates. Minton, is
currently on probation after his conviction for criminal contempt for his
violation of an injunction issued by a Florida Judge.

It will probably be no great surprise to find that one of Minton's associates,
Keith Henson on April 26, 2001, was found guilty following a jury trial of a
violation of Section 422.6 of the California Penal Code, also known as the
California Hate Crime Law, for his actions which were found to be interfering,
with threat of force, with the free exercise of the Scientology religion.
Henson fled the country before sentencing and currently has a warrant out for
his arrest. Minton is making known on the Internet that he is assisting Henson
to evade justice and bragging in his posting, "I helped him [Henson] escape
before the fact".

I am enclosing a letter sent to Minton's probation officer regarding violation
of his probation by assisting Henson. I further would like to inform you that
Minton lives in New Hampshire and Boston and that it is likely, due to his
arrogance for the law, that he might harbor this fugitive of the United States
at his home.

I am deeply concerned with the attached Internet posting by Minton to an
antiScientology Internet news group, "BTW [by the way] Keith, the missile codes
are safe but in case anything happens to us I'll PGP them below for the ARSCC
team (passphrase of 05-11-2001 will apply):" and posted the PGP key. I would
not have taken this so seriously except that when you put this all together it
shows continue pattern of increase violence by these individuals towards
Scientology and there blatant disregard for the law.

448 Beacon Street, Boston, MA 02115-1009 (617) 266-9500 Fax (617) 266-7996
WWW.Scientology.Org Scientology is an applied Religious Philosophy

End of Page 1


There has been a good deal of assistance by government and police agencies to
protect our Constitutional rights by those who wish to harm our religion. Thank
you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Gerard Renna

CC: Detective Homer Moy Boston Police Hate Crime Unit
Scott Currier Chief of Police Sandown, New Hampshire





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